Removal of ! HC ! Members.
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Removal of ! HC ! Members.
Due to bad blood between Hero and ! HC ! members, all members of ! HC ! have had their member status removed. They are still welcome in the [Hero] channel as long as they do not cause any issues, and thus should still be treated with respect if they are showing you respect.
Members removed were:
Diz
Plaguemaw
Angelite
Maple is open to hearing Hero opinions on this decision.
Diz
Plaguemaw
Angelite
Maple is open to hearing Hero opinions on this decision.
Afro Smash- Co-Leader dude
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
If these guys leave HC, they can comeback in Hero ? What are the problems between HC and Hero ?
KyogreF4N- Hero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
I revoked the removal as I thought they were wrongfully removed without putting enough thought into the decision.
I will be open to all opinions on this matter. However I stand on the side of keeping them here. Many have approached me saying its a bad idea to get rid of HC entirely.
Some people think they are cancerous and stuff.
I believe that we should give them a chance at least to show that they can be heroes. So me and cobalt agreed a 3 strike system would be set in place, (which will work for all members.) Before we decide if we cut ties with anything about HC.
Also heres a pb: http://pastebin.com/FUAZdYRW
I will be open to all opinions on this matter. However I stand on the side of keeping them here. Many have approached me saying its a bad idea to get rid of HC entirely.
Some people think they are cancerous and stuff.
I believe that we should give them a chance at least to show that they can be heroes. So me and cobalt agreed a 3 strike system would be set in place, (which will work for all members.) Before we decide if we cut ties with anything about HC.
Also heres a pb: http://pastebin.com/FUAZdYRW
Maple Syrup- SuperHero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
Fake Crobat (Espeon) should not count for a general consensus >.>
Real Crobat (me) finds the HC members to be somewhat annoying, but doesn't really care if they stay or go.
Real Crobat (me) finds the HC members to be somewhat annoying, but doesn't really care if they stay or go.
Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
What the fuck? I was going to open a new topic when I came home regarding this topic, BUT I WAS NOT GOING TO SUGGEST A REMOVAL OF HC! THIS IS ALL BASED ON OLD GRUDGES. I'll post here when I come home, but as for noe I'll just tell you all that we lost 3 very valuable players. Untill I get home I want everyone to think a little bit, why do you hate HC?
Home @ Tuesday
Home @ Tuesday
Fille- SuperHero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
The big picture is hating HC as itself for being completely ass retarded. Regarding the 3 Users , Plague Angelite and Diz , I don't know too much about Diz but I can vouche for Plague being really good and a chill guy. Same as Angelite I guess , so I don't understand why hating against the clan should stop us from having these guys in because of a "grudge" against HC.
Loligont- Hero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
I feel the only one with a big problem is cobalt which is understandable. Also he should explain why he thinks 3 members would ruin our reputation.
I find all of them pretty chill people.
I find all of them pretty chill people.
Maple Syrup- SuperHero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
Elite and HC shares some grudges yep.
There was that time when leaders from both sides shouted 'you guys suck' at each other for like an hour or so for a clanwar... Elite invited, HC chickened out (Arte, Finch, and some other POCL/POWC winners... I'd have chickened out if I was them too. Too much power gap). And both sides started saying they won the war despite it never happening...
To sum it up, childish disputes imo.
We're HEROES now! Get over it!
A bit more serious, Elite traditionally tended to attract those on the right side of PO rules, with a whole bunch of cstaff and server moderators. On the other, HC tended to attract... the opposite. I never had a problem with it despite being a MU and Server Moderator myself back then, but I can kinda see why Elite and HC wouldn't have got along well.
But again, we're HEROES now right?
Let's throw away all old grudges.
From the three, I can only vouch for Angelite, as she's pretty chill and nice to talk to.
whos plague and diz
halp
There was that time when leaders from both sides shouted 'you guys suck' at each other for like an hour or so for a clanwar... Elite invited, HC chickened out (Arte, Finch, and some other POCL/POWC winners... I'd have chickened out if I was them too. Too much power gap). And both sides started saying they won the war despite it never happening...
To sum it up, childish disputes imo.
We're HEROES now! Get over it!
A bit more serious, Elite traditionally tended to attract those on the right side of PO rules, with a whole bunch of cstaff and server moderators. On the other, HC tended to attract... the opposite. I never had a problem with it despite being a MU and Server Moderator myself back then, but I can kinda see why Elite and HC wouldn't have got along well.
But again, we're HEROES now right?
Let's throw away all old grudges.
From the three, I can only vouch for Angelite, as she's pretty chill and nice to talk to.
whos plague and diz
halp
Ramiel- Hero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
Talked to Plague a few times , one of the most chill guys i've met on here.
Loligont- Hero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
What happened that made it so HC members had to be removed? I don't wish to be insensitive, but your prior as well as other existing clans have nothing to do with Hero. If people want to be in HC and Hero, we should judge them based on how they act as a Hero. Now, if they act like a retard with a Hero tag up and shame Hero, that's one story. But they can do whatever they like with their other clans. Also, it doesn't matter if Elite and HC hated each other, judge the person by their actions within the clan and give them a chance to prove themselves. That's what I think, now, we know that certain HC members have been known to act rudely; however, that has nothing to do with Hero. Right now, you're a Hero and when you're wearing the Hero tag, you're representing your clan. Let's not be known as the clan that discriminated against other clans because someone disliked them (I'm looking at you Luca).
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
How to give this post a like ?Da Raikage wrote:What happened that made it so HC members had to be removed? I don't wish to be insensitive, but your prior as well as other existing clans have nothing to do with Hero. If people want to be in HC and Hero, we should judge them based on how they act as a Hero. Now, if they act like a retard with a Hero tag up and shame Hero, that's one story. But they can do whatever they like with their other clans. Also, it doesn't matter if Elite and HC hated each other, judge the person by their actions within the clan and give them a chance to prove themselves. That's what I think, now, we know that certain HC members have been known to act rudely; however, that has nothing to do with Hero. Right now, you're a Hero and when you're wearing the Hero tag, you're representing your clan. Let's not be known as the clan that discriminated against other clans because someone disliked them (I'm looking at you Luca).
Fille- SuperHero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
I don't think you can do what you want with any of your alt as long as you're a Hero. This is an important clan, and it's disrespectful to do not give back what it gives you. Btw I'm quite sorry about what happened with Angelite, as I wasnt talking to her when I was rude (yeah, exactly what i said to do not be... Everyone is human and makes mistakes as far as i know).
Anyway, i think you MUST be respectful as long as you're a part of a clan and try to be as nice as possible (who can say i'm not nice ? )
You also have to be modest
Anyway, i think you MUST be respectful as long as you're a part of a clan and try to be as nice as possible (who can say i'm not nice ? )
You also have to be modest
KyogreF4N- Hero
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:( tragic
They forgot me
The Simpson Menace- Hero
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
Good thing they forgot you Menace, this bullshit got to end.
Now Angelite and Alice had a little talk. It seemed to me like Angelite managed to convince Alice, which would be extreme looking at Alice's behaviour towards the HC clan.
So I started a little argument with Enemite, where I got to give her my views on the case as well I think. Please have a look:
Now what did I get from that ?
First of all, we're hating on a whole clan because of the actions of 4-6 people.
They're trying to improve, though need some guidance. Give them that.
The 3 people kicked from Hero are NOT related to the trolling.
As of the current moment, HERO is actually very similar to HC. Some people hates us now because of the action of 1-3 (idfk) people inside the clan, and it looks like we are to struggle a bit to regain their trust.
If we could stop randomly insulting HC for past grudges, that would benefit both Hero and HC. If any HC members say something like 'Hero scum' in our channel, simply ask a mod to mute them (Hero mod+). Now I'd like to request the likes of Cobalt and whoever else was in on this decission to apologize to the 3 kicked members. I feel like they deserve an apology.
Now Angelite and Alice had a little talk. It seemed to me like Angelite managed to convince Alice, which would be extreme looking at Alice's behaviour towards the HC clan.
So I started a little argument with Enemite, where I got to give her my views on the case as well I think. Please have a look:
- Spoiler:
(15:57) Fille: You should have gone for co-owner of a nice clan instead imo :[
(15:57) Fille: P4L > HC :[
(15:57) ! HC ! Angelite: Hellfire Club is a nice clan.
(15:57) Fille: tbh
(15:57) Fille: i wouldn't say so
(15:57) ! HC ! Angelite: How s+
(15:57) Fille: how so?* ?
(15:57) ! HC ! Angelite: Ye3
(15:57) Fille: I'm a very judging person, even though I shouldn't be
(15:58) Fille: but I judge you by the behaviour of your members
(15:58) ! HC ! Angelite: I do the same, and Hero's members have given me a shit impression most of the time, except for you, Nick and Maple.
(15:58) Fille: Yea
(15:58) Fille: and I can totally see why
(15:58) ! HC ! Angelite: especially cobalt
(15:58) Fille: most Hero members really hate HC, and has been throwing alot of shit @ u
(15:58) Fille: which tbh doesn't give us a good rep either
(15:59) Fille: Cobalt indeed
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: Why?
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: There is nothing to hate with Hellfire, really
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: if you talk to Rake
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: he will even admit
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: he finds it funny to act like a try hard fuck
(15:59) Fille: that is exactly why
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: and that
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: he doesn't take it seriously at all
(15:59) ! HC ! Angelite: Why is that hateable? It might be hateable if he was seriously spouting that, it's a joke to him, and he admits it to anyone who talks about it..
(16:00) Fille: but such behaviour ruins our expectations for the game
(16:00) ! HC ! Angelite: and he's not even that bad, he has problems turning even noobs and irritating pieces of shit down when they want to join
(16:00) Fille: we're trying to have fun as well, but when someone calls us a noob for critting a fire blast under the sun on a ferrothorn
(16:00) Fille: it's not really any funny
(16:00) Fille: if that happened to only 1 person, then so be it
(16:00) Fille: but when that happens to a whole community
(16:00) Fille: and many more
(16:00) Fille: then it's over the edge
(16:00) ! HC ! Angelite: Why is it even bad being called a noob in a Pokemon game+
(16:01) Fille: it's generally just a rude word
(16:01) ! HC ! Angelite: when I spectate Rake or Knots, they rarely even say anything
(16:01) Fille: and the fact that the person may not understand what you are doing
(16:01) ! HC ! Angelite: They mostly talk to people who come on the channel to talk shit
(16:01) Fille: and you can't do anything about this persons impression
(16:01) Fille: and/or*
(16:01) Fille: it's rather frustrating
(16:02) ! HC ! Angelite: I don't get it
(16:02) Fille: kk
(16:02) Fille: I'll try to find
(16:02) ! HC ! Angelite: If they even admit they do it
(16:02) Fille: another way to explain it
(16:02) ! HC ! Angelite: just to be shit trolls and try hards
(16:03) Fille: drop a plate to the ground
(16:03) Fille: it breaks
(16:03) Fille: admit you dropped it
(16:03) Fille: it's still broken isn't it?
(16:03) Fille: if you admit that you're behaving like a shit just coz you find it funny
(16:03) Fille: doesn't make it better for the victim
(16:03) ! HC ! Angelite: Why not?
(16:04) Fille: words
(16:04) ! HC ! Angelite: They rarely go for personal insults, just call people noobs
(16:04) Fille: can hurt the very same way
(16:04) Fille: as a stick
(16:04) ! HC ! Angelite: Yeah,
(16:04) Fille: if I slap you with a stick
(16:04) ! HC ! Angelite: and we get told to kill ourselves for acting too good for our skill level in a fucking game.
(16:04) Fille: it will hurt even if I tell you I didn't mean it or it was just for fun
(16:04) Fille: ye
(16:04) ! HC ! Angelite: Literally
(16:04) Fille: that's because of your "funny behaviour"
(16:04) ! HC ! Angelite: The only HC members who even act that way
(16:05) Fille: are all I've met baring 3 I think
(16:05) Fille: I've been insulted in games and in channels for literally no reason
(16:05) Fille: this was before I even knew HC was a clan
(16:05) ! HC ! Angelite: = Me, Emre, Velvet, Knots and Rake, Velvet does it very poorly, I've stopped doing it unless people start with me, Knots does it pretty badly except on YouTube, Rake does it well but is willing to converse the matter, and Emre, well, it's Emre and he gets banned most of the time anyway
(16:06) Fille: Erial
(16:06) Fille: Gary Oak
(16:06) Fille: that's 2 more
(16:06) ! HC ! Angelite: Erial = Emre, Gary Oak = Knots
(16:06) Fille: ah
(16:06) Fille: lol
(16:06) Fille: now these are the main faces of HC
(16:06) ! HC ! Angelite: So 4 people who talk shit, and tbh Velvet does it only when it matters to some extend, not when it's ridiculous and all she does is say "hax some more" or "scrub" lol
(16:06) Fille: I don't know any other names
(16:06) ! HC ! Angelite: Exactly
(16:07) ! HC ! Angelite: people hate an entire clan of like 100 people because of 3
(16:07) Fille: simply because
(16:07) ! HC ! Angelite: and come on the channel
(16:07) Fille: names of what I think of as randoms
(16:07) ! HC ! Angelite: talking shit
(16:07) Fille: on a simulator
(16:07) ! HC ! Angelite: and then act amazed when they get insulted by more than those
(16:07) Fille: is nothing I try to remember
(16:07) Fille: coming into a channel to insult
(16:07) Fille: is just childish
(16:07) ! HC ! Angelite: The entire clan got started because of other clans acting like try hards anyway, Knots and Rake wanted to make a try hard clan to troll them all lol
(16:07) Fille: I'm not blaming only HC here
(16:08) Fille: but you started it
(16:08) Fille: trolling is not a good thing
(16:08) Fille: nor is it an excuse for bad behaviour
(16:08) ! HC ! Angelite: They PM'd people their clan sucks
(16:08) ! HC ! Angelite: lel
(16:09) ! HC ! Angelite: literally
(16:09) ! HC ! Angelite: anyone who comes to Hellfire channel to chat and does not act like a faggot
(16:09) ! HC ! Angelite: can get along with most of the people, including Rake
(16:09) Fille: Well
(16:09) Fille: I tried once
(16:09) Fille: first thing I arrive to
(16:09) Fille: is Gary Oak
(16:09) Fille: or Knots
(16:09) Fille: making a joke about me
(16:09) ! HC ! Angelite: Yeah, he seems to hate you for some reason
(16:09) ! HC ! Angelite: or maybe he's just fooling
(16:09) ! HC ! Angelite: Knots is a bit hard to interpret
(16:10) Fille: so it seems lol
(16:10) ! HC ! Angelite: but like
(16:10) ! HC ! Angelite: you could very well ask Maple
(16:10) ! HC ! Angelite: He has no negative past with Hellfire
(16:10) ! HC ! Angelite: and he seems to get along rather well
(16:10) ! HC ! Angelite: even autojoining, etc.
(16:11) Fille: possibly
(16:11) Fille: but if what you say is true
(16:11) Fille: taht people hate on a clan of 100s because of 4 people
(16:11) Fille: then I think these 4 people should improve for the sake of the clan
(16:12) ! HC ! Angelite: They have improved, though
(16:12) ! HC ! Angelite: except for Erial
(16:12) Fille: Are you absolutely 100% sure
(16:12) Fille: ?
(16:12) ! HC ! Angelite: because he's a steroid head
(16:12) Fille: well
(16:12) Fille: I'll admit that
(16:12) Fille: and I won't force you to try to change him ._.
(16:12) Fille: hes nice to those he wants to be nice to lol
(16:12) ! HC ! Angelite: I won't even bother with him
(16:12) Fille: and I guess no one can change that
(16:12) Fille: if I thought it'd be possible I'd try
(16:12) Fille: but seems to hard
(16:13) ! HC ! Angelite: But you don't seen Knots, Rake, Velvet or me to go to channel just to troll
(16:13) Fille: probably not
(16:13) ! HC ! Angelite: and if they were assholes, Hellfire would not even be as big
(16:14) Fille: you'd be surprised how many would like to join other communities/groups just to be accepted as an asshole ..
(16:15) ! HC ! Angelite: Eh, that's not even what the clan is about, it's more about not having other people whining about their behavior, and just forgetting ideals like that to relax with each other with loose policies, lol
(16:15) Fille: if that is your intention
(16:16) Fille: to make others more aware of their behaviour
(16:16) Fille: then I believe you have the wrong way to make a message
(16:16) ! HC ! Angelite: people even call them bad trolls but get mad?
(16:17) Fille: that is all a matter of perspective
(16:17) ! HC ! Angelite: as long as I've been in the clan, they never give people more than they ask for (except for Erial who gets mad when he sucks in this game)
(16:17) Fille: there is no definition of trolls
(16:17) Fille: some people
(16:17) Fille: which includes me
(16:17) Fille: think that trolls should be more funny
(16:17) ! HC ! Angelite: They are bad trolls, they even admit they are trolling if you ask them
(16:17) Fille: if not at that very moment
(16:17) Fille: but if you look back on it, you'll have a laugh
(16:17) Fille: not just spamming random insults
(16:18) ! HC ! Angelite: They didn't really insult Joey in the battle he had against Chainy
(16:18) Fille: I didn't see that, never even heard of that
(16:19) Fille: so I don't know
(16:19) Fille: I can mention matches I've had with them tho
(16:19) Fille: where I'm a stupid haxing little piece of cunt shit
(16:19) ! HC ! Angelite: Can I see a log, so I can get a better grasp of their thought process?
(16:20) Fille: hang on a sec
(16:22) Fille: sorry got a phone call
(16:22) Fille: no, I can't show you any logs
(16:22) Fille: as I rebooted my PC 2 weeks ago and lost everything
(16:22) Fille: hence I've got no proof
(16:22) Fille: and you've just gota take my word for it
(16:22) Fille: or choose not to
(16:22) Fille: now if I remember that exact scenario
(16:23) Fille: I got a hydro pump crit from specs Empoleon on opponents Milllotic
(16:23) Fille: which did matter indeed
(16:23) Fille: but as he had gotten a Tbolt para on my Mienshao earlier that game
(16:23) Fille: which was really game changing
(16:23) Fille: I didn't really feel sorry
(16:23) Fille: the last 3 posts was unnecesary
(16:24) ! HC ! Angelite: I can take your word for it
(16:24) ! HC ! Angelite: Who was it?
(16:25) Fille: tbh
(16:25) Fille: I don't know
(16:25) Fille: I just remember the HC tag
(16:25) ! HC ! Angelite: Hmm..
(16:25) ! HC ! Angelite: Well
(16:25) Fille: so it's not rela proof
(16:25) ! HC ! Angelite: a lot of the worst members have actually quit the clan / game.
(16:25) Fille: but just an example of what I've "experienced"
(16:25) Fille: aha
(16:26) Fille: well, that very incident was around november (?)
(16:26) ! HC ! Angelite: but the clan is really not the same at all as it was like
(16:26) ! HC ! Angelite: say 8 months ago
(16:26) Fille: at least it was a decently long time ago
(16:26) ! HC ! Angelite: Hmm
(16:26) Fille: that is possibly a good
(16:26) Fille: thing
(16:26) Fille: now just one thing
(16:26) Fille: I just wonder what is the problem about being a try-hard ?
(16:27) Fille: If they find really trying to do something fun, then shouldn't we let them try to achieve that?
(16:27) ! HC ! Angelite: Well, the clan was made to have fun on the expense of people from clans that have arrogant reputation, it's kind of counter-productive, but on the other hand that is what many clans are doing to Hellfire now.
(16:27) Fille: I see nothing wrong in really trying to do something
(16:27) ! HC ! Angelite: aNd the thing is that the majority of core members don't even care.
(16:27) Fille: aha
(16:27) ! HC ! Angelite: wherein people who continue trolling seem to get more and more upset all the time
(16:28) Fille: if we could convince people that the HC clan is not as bad as it was
(16:28) Fille: then they should stop after awhile
(16:28) ! HC ! Angelite: And
(16:28) Fille: and ?
(16:28) ! HC ! Angelite: They like to mock an entire clan just to wind up targeted people from the clan
(16:28) ! HC ! Angelite: Nobody said anything yesterday when [IDM]unbirthday was hanging in the channel
(16:29) Fille: nope
(16:29) Fille: Alice is just a generally big asshole
(16:29) Fille: it looked like you managed to convince him pretty well tho
(16:29) Fille: he was way milder than he use to be
(16:29) Fille: but mocking a clan bcoz of 4 ppl
(16:29) Fille: you are the main players of HC
(16:29) Fille: so to say
(16:30) Fille: the biggest role models
(16:30) Fille: the responsibility of the clan lies on you basically
(16:30) Fille: I'll take Hero for instance now
(16:30) Fille: we have elections every month
(16:30) Fille: to pick new mods and shit
(16:30) Fille: but really
(16:30) Fille: the current mods
(16:30) Fille: aren't doing half as much
(16:30) Fille: as other members as me and Tape
(16:31) Fille: we are role models
(16:31) Fille: how we behave affects the reputation of the whole clan
(16:31) Fille: if we were to behave like total dicks
(16:31) Fille: then ppl would think the Hero clan is full of arrogant pricks
(16:31) Fille: now I've gotta go
(16:31) Fille: but if you want to keep on talking later when I return
(16:31) Fille: feel free to PM me
(16:31) Fille: bye ♥
(16:31) ! HC ! Angelite: but Knots and Rake don't even do anything :/
(16:32) ! HC ! Angelite: And sure
(16:32) ! HC ! Angelite: :P
(16:32) ! HC ! Angelite: Later
(16:32) Fille: :]
(16:32) Fille: They have done something ages ago
(16:32) Fille: and never tried to fix it
(16:32) ! HC ! Angelite: So have I
(16:32) Fille: that's the problem
(16:32) Fille: you have tried to fix it
(16:32) Fille: if you haven't seen it yourself
(16:32) Fille: but besides
(16:32) Fille: pretty many ppl hates you ^
(16:32) Fille: I love you because I knew you earlier :]
(16:32) ! HC ! Angelite: I know lol
(16:32) Fille: ciao haha
Now what did I get from that ?
First of all, we're hating on a whole clan because of the actions of 4-6 people.
They're trying to improve, though need some guidance. Give them that.
The 3 people kicked from Hero are NOT related to the trolling.
As of the current moment, HERO is actually very similar to HC. Some people hates us now because of the action of 1-3 (idfk) people inside the clan, and it looks like we are to struggle a bit to regain their trust.
If we could stop randomly insulting HC for past grudges, that would benefit both Hero and HC. If any HC members say something like 'Hero scum' in our channel, simply ask a mod to mute them (Hero mod+). Now I'd like to request the likes of Cobalt and whoever else was in on this decission to apologize to the 3 kicked members. I feel like they deserve an apology.
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Re: Removal of ! HC ! Members.
I hlnestly find the removal of any HC just because they are HC stupid. Sure some of them have said some pretty powerful stuff, but that doesn't give us the right to remove all of them just like that. I got to meet some of them on a more personal level and they are overall spendid people. I am against this removal.
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