Increasing the requirements.

I have been thinking about increasing the requirements of NU + LU from 1250+ to 1300+. I would like to hear your opinions on this, how it could benefit the clan, how it could harm the clan etc. however i don't want you looking at this from a selfish point of view, think of the clan, not yourself.

To be honest, I think LU is fine at 1250.
Standards for LU are much lower that OU, Ubers and UU.

Atm, 1250 would put you 65 on the ladder, which isn't too bad.

Photoshop wrote:Alan, your thoughts on the LC requirements?

Hmm you need to be top 30 to reach 1200, however the ladder is alot smaller, so i'm not certain.

Cloud7z wrote:To be honest, I think LU is fine at 1250.
Standards for LU are much lower that OU, Ubers and UU.

Atm, 1250 would put you 65 on the ladder, which isn't too bad.

Hmm, Granbull suggested 1275 which could be the happy medium, 1275 = 45th on the ladder

Personally I do not think that 1300 is too high of a requirement, as it is not a huge number to achieve. This will also give us better members if we raise the limit to 1300, and if someone can achieve 1250 they should also be able to achieve 1300, as a 50 point difference really isn't too big of an issue. I think it's a good move.

The problem I find with this is that the ladders of NU and LU are much smaller than Ubers, OU, and UU, so getting a higher ranking, no matter how good you are, can be a problem. Esspecially when you get +30 -1 variations every match, which started happening to me around the time I was 1250 in both tiers.
I think 1275 would be a happy medium.
As for LC, it's a much, much smaller ladder. On top of it taking 10-20 minutes to find a game at times, by the time your at 1150, you are getting almost nothing but bad variations. 1200 however isn't THAT hard to get to if you have a good team (aka have a Meinfoo, Murkrow, Misdreavus, and Chinchoa on it). Jokeing aside 1200 isn't to hard but because of the nature of a smaller ladder, it can be a pain. Maybe 1225. but not up to something like 1250.

Contrary to popular belief, 1300+ is not any harder to get than 1400+ in OU/Ubers, despite the fact that it means you'll be on the first page, because the ladder is smaller and so there's not as much randomness, so if you're a decent player you can get it. Plus, since we already agreed on raising the req to 1300+ in the new year, we should follow through. Same for 1400+ in OU and 1450+ in Ubers; I don't see why this hasn't been implemented yet. We need to attract stronger players because we depend on the same 5-6 players in every competitive war, and it's obvious to everyone. Assuming we're still doing wars of course, because nobody seems to want to anymore.

Also, LC should not be a recognised tier for req. If you want another requirement then just allow top 3 in any other non-bullshit tier or something. Having a req (and one so low at that) for LC makes us look sh**.

Crobat wrote:The problem I find with this is that the ladders of NU and LU are much smaller than Ubers, OU, and UU, so getting a higher ranking, no matter how good you are, can be a problem. Esspecially when you get +30 -1 variations every match, which started happening to me around the time I was 1250 in both tiers.
I think 1275 would be a happy medium.
As for LC, it's a much, much smaller ladder. On top of it taking 10-20 minutes to find a game at times, by the time your at 1150, you are getting almost nothing but bad variations. 1200 however isn't THAT hard to get to if you have a good team (aka have a Meinfoo, Murkrow, Misdreavus, and Chinchoa on it). Jokeing aside 1200 isn't to hard but because of the nature of a smaller ladder, it can be a pain. Maybe 1225. but not up to something like 1250.

If you don't want +1 -30 variations then don't set your ladder point difference above 250. It's your own fault for having it so high and then losing, it's not an excuse. Either be patient and wait for a match with a nice variation like +14 -18 or risk losing 30 points just for 1 point by setting your rating difference to 2108423805029342.

Ash Ketchum wrote:

Crobat wrote:The problem I find with this is that the ladders of NU and LU are much smaller than Ubers, OU, and UU, so getting a higher ranking, no matter how good you are, can be a problem. Esspecially when you get +30 -1 variations every match, which started happening to me around the time I was 1250 in both tiers.
I think 1275 would be a happy medium.
As for LC, it's a much, much smaller ladder. On top of it taking 10-20 minutes to find a game at times, by the time your at 1150, you are getting almost nothing but bad variations. 1200 however isn't THAT hard to get to if you have a good team (aka have a Meinfoo, Murkrow, Misdreavus, and Chinchoa on it). Jokeing aside 1200 isn't to hard but because of the nature of a smaller ladder, it can be a pain. Maybe 1225. but not up to something like 1250.

If you don't want +1 -30 variations then don't set your ladder point difference above 250. It's your own fault for having it so high and then losing, it's not an excuse. Either be patient and wait for a match with a nice variation like +14 -18 or risk losing 30 points just for 1 point by setting your rating difference to 2108423805029342.

I always have it set to ~200, not 2,108,423,805,029,342.

Crobat wrote:

Ash Ketchum wrote:

Crobat wrote:The problem I find with this is that the ladders of NU and LU are much smaller than Ubers, OU, and UU, so getting a higher ranking, no matter how good you are, can be a problem. Esspecially when you get +30 -1 variations every match, which started happening to me around the time I was 1250 in both tiers.
I think 1275 would be a happy medium.
As for LC, it's a much, much smaller ladder. On top of it taking 10-20 minutes to find a game at times, by the time your at 1150, you are getting almost nothing but bad variations. 1200 however isn't THAT hard to get to if you have a good team (aka have a Meinfoo, Murkrow, Misdreavus, and Chinchoa on it). Jokeing aside 1200 isn't to hard but because of the nature of a smaller ladder, it can be a pain. Maybe 1225. but not up to something like 1250.

If you don't want +1 -30 variations then don't set your ladder point difference above 250. It's your own fault for having it so high and then losing, it's not an excuse. Either be patient and wait for a match with a nice variation like +14 -18 or risk losing 30 points just for 1 point by setting your rating difference to 2108423805029342.

I always have it set to ~200, not 2,108,423,805,029,342.

You can't get +1 -30 at 200, so clearly you were exaggerating.

It was an example. And I have before. Now enough of this stupid argument.

Crobat wrote:It was an example. And I have before. Now enough of this stupid argument.

No, what's stupid is is you think you can get +1 -30 at 200 rating difference. You can't. This is exactly why pros use low rating differences like 200 250 - to avoid bullshit variations while still getting some battles. Now stop with your petty replies that have no substance.

Ash Ketchum wrote:

Crobat wrote:It was an example. And I have before. Now enough of this stupid argument.

No, what's stupid is is you think you can get +1 -30 at 200 rating difference. You can't. This is exactly why pros use low rating differences like 200 250 - to avoid bullshit variations while still getting some battles. Now stop with your petty replies that have no substance.

I think you forgot to read the "enough of this stupid argument" part.

Crobat wrote:

Ash Ketchum wrote:

Crobat wrote:It was an example. And I have before. Now enough of this stupid argument.

No, what's stupid is is you think you can get +1 -30 at 200 rating difference. You can't. This is exactly why pros use low rating differences like 200 250 - to avoid bullshit variations while still getting some battles. Now stop with your petty replies that have no substance.

I think you forgot to read the "enough of this stupid argument" part.

I think you just realised you were wrong and resorted to childish behaviour.

Turning off notifications now to avoid this sh**.

Ash Ketchum wrote:

Crobat wrote:

Ash Ketchum wrote:

Crobat wrote:It was an example. And I have before. Now enough of this stupid argument.

No, what's stupid is is you think you can get +1 -30 at 200 rating difference. You can't. This is exactly why pros use low rating differences like 200 250 - to avoid bullshit variations while still getting some battles. Now stop with your petty replies that have no substance.

I think you forgot to read the "enough of this stupid argument" part.

I think you just realised you were wrong and resorted to childish behaviour.

Turning off notifications now to avoid this sh**.

Oh my....
First of all, This arguement must be stopped. ALL OF THIS DEPENDS ON YOUR CURRENT LADDER RANKING.

Second, i think that the LU and NU increase is good.

Third, LC is not really a tier in my opinion. If LC is a tier, than so is CC, Monotype/color/gen, AND METRONOME.

Variation disagreements aside, I'm for the 1275 qualification. Top 45 in any tier is pretty darn good. Anyone who can get to 1275 can probably make 1300+ someday, so it could be a good investment.

ddrox13 wrote:

i think that the LU and NU increase is good.

Third, LC is not really a tier in my opinion. If LC is a tier, than so is CC, Monotype/color/gen, AND METRONOME.

Increase is good in my opinion too, but CC and LC the sam??

Uber, OU, UU, LU, NU

LC, NEU

Mongen/colour/type

all the bs

BOTTOM: CC, Metronome.